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Luminesce: I've always been a killjoy (edited)

1:38 AM

Logic logic logic

1:38 AM

So I considered my tulpas "sentient imaginary friends" right near the start

_Dan

Why would you want them to be a literal character instead of just asking them to roleplay?

"I'm in love with the real and original Monika from Doki Doki Literature club, so only the original will do!" In short, a strong attachment to the original character and a desire to be around them.

As I understand it, there is a difference between hearing voices of tulpa and schizophrenia, so I think it's not that you would be turning it into something positive

1:39 AM

It might be something in parallel

1:39 AM

Your tulpa will probably be experiencing the symptoms, too (edited)

_Dan

I have schizophrenia (got banned from the other big tulpa discord for it, this place is nicer anyhow) I wonder if it's possible to turn it into something positive that's aware. Not that that's what I can do since my medication is working decently at the moment.

Luminesce: No, it's not. A huge reason we tend to turn people with schizophrenia away from tulpamancy is that they think their tulpa can "control" chaotic thoughts, and putting that faith in and growing attached to your tulpa tends to open you up to being hurt when things go wrong more than if you'd just worked on ignoring invasive random thoughts to begin with. (edited)

1:40 AM

There are some tulpamancers who have schizophrenia and seem to get along separating them from invasive thoughts okay, but there have also been others who experienced that scenario I just mentioned, where they only end up hurting themselves in the end. Generally, tulpamancy isn't recommended to those with schizophrenia, or even people who just have trouble being deeply bothered by invasive thoughts in the first place. (edited)

1:41 AM

It varies by person if tulpamancy will actually work out for you, so (at least here) it's not simply a brick wall of "No" - but we won't encourage it as an aid for dealing with schizophrenia in any way whatsoever. It's basically "At your own risk" (edited)

Are you taking any medication Dan?

I'm glad the intrusive thoughts (which i get more often than voices) are mostly under control. An average experience is a short chat with my tulpa with maybe an intrusive thought telling me to jump in front of a train a couple times a day. I'm glad it's under control so that I can actually focus on my tulpa's development.

1:43 AM

Yes I'm taking medication and it's helped a lot.

1:44 AM

I'm glad it didn't stifle my tulpa's development as a catch-all treatment for similar phenomena.

_Dan

I'm glad the intrusive thoughts (which i get more often than voices) are mostly under control. An average experience is a short chat with my tulpa with maybe an intrusive thought telling me to jump in front of a train a couple times a day. I'm glad it's under control so that I can actually focus on my tulpa's development.

I get those thoughts and i dont have schizofrenia. As long as you dont assign those to your tulpa its probably okey.

Luminesce: Basically, practicing tulpamancy is just more dangerous if you have schizophrenia as you're choosing to get emotionally attached to imagined experiences. Some people aren't able to keep their experiences of their tulpa separated from chaotic thoughts, beliefs and feelings caused by schizophrenia, and in those cases their attachment to their tulpa only causes distress. (edited)

I'm glad. However much tulpamancy helps you, please do not change the dosage of your medication without consulting your doctor (edited)

I belive there is a sistematic problem with schizofrenic people feeling better and trying to stop medication by themselves... Ive read something... Definitely shoudnt do that of course.

Yeah

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

I get those thoughts and i dont have schizofrenia. As long as you dont assign those to your tulpa its probably okey.

Luminesce: Schizophrenia generally entails lack of control over invasive thoughts, difficulty in differentiating meaningful thought/internal experiences from chaotic random ones. Tulpamancy can cause distress for people who just suffer from invasive thoughts that deeply bother them as well, but those people do have better chances of tulpamancy working out as a positive experience, eventually (edited)

It's 98% tulpa and 2% an intrusive voice getting in the way

1:46 AM

Much better with the meds

that happens with literally everything. You feel bad, you take the medicine, then think you are feeling good so you stop taking it. Its just because there is this idea that its shameful to rely on medication. My mom did that to me repeatedly and I grew up without mediciation even though I had it right there for me because I was told that I needed to work towards not needing it

Rusty

that happens with literally everything. You feel bad, you take the medicine, then think you are feeling good so you stop taking it. Its just because there is this idea that its shameful to rely on medication. My mom did that to me repeatedly and I grew up without mediciation even though I had it right there for me because I was told that I needed to work towards not needing it

But its specially bad with schizofrenic people. (edited)

Luminesce: Again, it's just risky, the extent of which varies by person. Just keep in mind you're in control of your internal experiences and do not let them hurt you. If your experience of your tulpa ever causes you distress, you have to consider stopping practicing tulpamancy. (edited)

1:48 AM

(Not talking about medication at all - obviously, don't do anything your doctor hasn't told you to do)

It's been mostly smooth. I've been stopped a few times by a cluster of space invaders but aside from that I can usually focus on my tulpa in peace.

What do you mean by space invaders?

A belief in the origin of the mental illness due to experiences I've had.

Do you mean you believe you are schizofrenic because of space invaders or am i understanding something terribly wrong?

Yeah

1:52 AM

I've experienced strange noises and sensations coming from my body that I pinpointed as genetic modification. I don't consider myself crazy though, I'm glad things are under control now.

Do you currently believe that tho?

Luminesce: I'll make one last note very clear, real quick. The people with schizophrenia who were hurt by practicing tulpamancy were hurt because they had belief in and attachment to their tulpa, but their tulpas "fell victim to", "were taken over by", or simply were themselves innately conducive to, invasive thoughts caused by schizophrenia. You are not necessarily safe from this at any given point, so you need to remember that tulpamancy should never cause you distress and you need to drop your immersion in it if even your tulpa's behavior ever affects you negatively. (edited)

Yes I still do because of how real they feel but aside from that I'm functional. I don't see monsters or get put in artificial environments.

1:54 AM

I can stay "on earth" if you will despite those sensations

What are the sensations if you dont mind describing?

Luminesce: Prodding someone about their experience of symptoms of a disorder is really not appropriate discussion here. (edited)

1:55 AM

There are plenty of resources online to learn about any given thing

Prodding?

Throat croaking, vibrations in parts of my body including private parts, electricity going up my spine, random gut noises that aren't from hunger etc.

Inquiring, whatever

I was just curious.

Yeah this isn't the best place.

It's not on topic for this channel and probably not appropriate at all (outside of DMs) (edited)

1:57 AM

Namely because this isn't a problem a random person on the internet can help someone with, we're not qualified to give therapy and such for actual disorders.

Ehh if they're curious I understand, it is one of the most interesting disorders. But yeah this is a place for tulpa discussion.

I know in other cases this kind of questioning could help you help someone, but dealing with real diagnosed disorders is outside of our jurisdiction, here. (Meaning, I can't let you try within the server even if you want to)

Reisen

Namely because this isn't a problem a random person on the internet can help someone with, we're not qualified to give therapy and such for actual disorders.

I didnt ask to help.

Luminesce: In that case it's just off-topic and on the border of inappropriate at all (edited)

1:59 AM

Preferably take it to DMs

It ended a couple of messages ago...

If Dan particularly wants to talk about said experiences, it could go in #general-discussion, though I will have to stop it if people get armchair-doctor-y

Reisen

If Dan particularly wants to talk about said experiences, it could go in #general-discussion, though I will have to stop it if people get armchair-doctor-y

I asked, they responded, its over, calm down.

It's over after you stop replying about it, "I didn't ask to help" doesn't come off the same as "Alright"

2:02 AM

(This isn't heated or anything, just saying I've kept replying because you kept replying)

this is so heated Im so fucking angry about whatever this conversation is about that i havent kept up with

We could take them to a DM I'm open to share what I've had bottled up since forever.

Rusty

this is so heated Im so fucking angry about whatever this conversation is about that i havent kept up with

Pftt

Sorry guys, but this isn't a meme channel

It was feedback.

I stare at things for a few seconds and get a few words out of them #progress

Luminesce: That's a nearly four year old message and I'm not sure they even feel that way anymore (edited)

yes im dumb

5:59 AM

i should be sleeping

5:59 AM

but im not

5:59 AM

sorry

Adeus.

yes im dumb

It's okay, don't call yourself dumb

5:29 AM

Ik it's from hours ago but I can't help not responding (edited)

5:30 AM

Anyhow, does anyone relate being scared of your headmate fronting because they would act differently compared to you infront of your family?

You can just select which situations they will front in... Or just tell them not to be too different in certain situations.

5:35 AM

Probably your tulpas have the same concern as to not make your family scared or anything.

Yeah, but that makes fronting an uncomfortable situation

6:00 AM

Thanks for the tip though

If what you do while fronting is acting like your host usually does, why bother with fronting? Do it when it makes a difference for you.

Rxspty

Yeah, but that makes fronting an uncomfortable situation

Why would it make it uncomfortable?

Anyhow, does anyone relate being scared of your headmate fronting because they would act differently compared to you infront of your family?

@Rxspty - jump you have no idea how high tolerance people have of the differences of behaviour in people

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

Anyhow, does anyone relate being scared of your headmate fronting because they would act differently compared to you infront of your family?

@Rxspty - jump you have no idea how high tolerance people have of the differences of behaviour in people

This is actually true...

10:55 PM

Quite surprising

10:56 PM

I think its just because people are not that consistent in general... (edited)

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

Anyhow, does anyone relate being scared of your headmate fronting because they would act differently compared to you infront of your family?

@Rxspty - jump you have no idea how high tolerance people have of the differences of behaviour in people

Ah ok then

so one of my tulpas has decided to change his name

8:05 PM

has that happened to anyone else here?

yeh

oh nice

no but it sounds q normal to me

Yeah. Some of us keep a few names too.

rain

so one of my tulpas has decided to change his name

Not a big deal.

ik I just wanted to talk about it lol

Oh, okey, i thought you were asking for reasurance.

Yeah plenty of tulpas change their name just like normal people do. My host decided to change his name just the other day.

so one of my tulpas has decided to change his name

@rain - jump What did they change it to?

hes korean so jinhyok

Gotta be honest I know almost nothing about Korea or it's culture

this like trying to hit a 4,000 word limit

8:25 PM

yeah tulpas can change their names

Gotta be honest I know almost nothing about Korea or it's culture

@Astra

(@Candlelight Society 🕯) - jump host watches video on like food from there and not gonna lie i want some

rain

has that happened to anyone else here?

Coincidentally it happened to my brother this week. As everyone said, it's normal. We change things from time to time to match our experiences, just like any person do. The rest of us will need to take some time to get used again, though... Since his old name was with him from the very beginning. Almost a decade. But, it just... Happens.

Yeah. Some of us keep a few names too.

@Alexia (@Alejandro) - jump like for example m-n